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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:18 am 
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I think we need to make anmove for a corner or a wr. I like the fact that we have picks but to tell you the truth if ireland is drafting then they really dont count. I mean if he wanted a wr last year we could have had hill.....if the right player comes at the right price we need to take advantage of it. Hoarding picks is just not logical for us IMHO.


IMO the way to build a perennial contender is to build through the draft. Signing a bunch of high-priced veterans is not the way to go. Sure, you need to add a few FAs here and there, but the cornerstone of the team must be drafted and developed. Fireland has been a terrible drafter, but we can only hope that Philbin gains more power and/or Fireland gets canned. Either way, blowing our cap on free agents is a short-term solution at best.


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 Post subject: Re: Possible trades?
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I would prefer to wait for the draft.

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61finfan wrote:
I would prefer to wait for the draft.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:02 pm 
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I think we need to make anmove for a corner or a wr. I like the fact that we have picks but to tell you the truth if ireland is drafting then they really dont count. I mean if he wanted a wr last year we could have had hill.....if the right player comes at the right price we need to take advantage of it. Hoarding picks is just not logical for us IMHO.


IMO the way to build a perennial contender is to build through the draft. Signing a bunch of high-priced veterans is not the way to go. Sure, you need to add a few FAs here and there, but the cornerstone of the team must be drafted and developed. Fireland has been a terrible drafter, but we can only hope that Philbin gains more power and/or Fireland gets canned. Either way, blowing our cap on free agents is a short-term solution at best.



Agreed. No team can remain a contender nor even become a contender trying to BUY a contending team. It just aint gonna happen.

A team HAS TO get some very good-to great play from the draft. When all you get is okay to sincere-suckitude from your drafts, your team is headed for the toilet. Witness Ireland's drafting and the Dolphins.

This team needs a good ball-hawking SAFETY who can take command of the secondary: I don't know of anyone like that who is available?


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 Post subject: Re: Possible trades?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:23 pm 
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61finfan wrote:
I would prefer to wait for the draft.


I'd prefer for Ireland to be fired.

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I believe that situations should dictate courses of actions. Building through the draft is certainly an option but for every high priced free agent you get a high pick whose a bust. My position is that if the right player comes along at the right price you most certainly have to take a look. Hoarding all the picks and drafting the way Ireland does is not the right thing to do......we can say all we want about Ireland's drafts or how we want him gone but until that happens we will be drafting a rg or rt or a dt in the first round.

Unless of course Ross doesn't sell the team and he mentions to the media that we need a wr


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:01 am 
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Unless of course Ross doesn't sell the team and he mentions to the media that we need a wr


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When the Owner comes out publicly well before the draft and tells EVERYBODY he wants the QB, and then Ireland REVERSES the draft "strategy" he has followed religiously for years, and takes a QB Parcells would have QUIT before being forced to draft....I do not see how anyone can even HINT at giving Ireland credit for drafting Tannehill.

Let's just HOPE Ross has seen the light: when you have to FORCE your GM to do what is in the best interest of your team, then maybe....just perhaps...you have the wrong man running the organization?


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When the Owner comes out publicly well before the draft and tells EVERYBODY he wants the QB, and then Ireland REVERSES the draft "strategy" he has followed religiously for years, and takes a QB Parcells would have QUIT before being forced to draft....I do not see how anyone can even HINT at giving Ireland credit for drafting Tannehill.


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I believe that situations should dictate courses of actions. Building through the draft is certainly an option but for every high priced free agent you get a high pick whose a bust. My position is that if the right player comes along at the right price you most certainly have to take a look. Hoarding all the picks and drafting the way Ireland does is not the right thing to do......we can say all we want about Ireland's drafts or how we want him gone but until that happens we will be drafting a rg or rt or a dt in the first round.


I know what you're saying, but:

1. I can't think of any team that has signed a bunch of free agents and then won a Super Bowl. I can however think of a bunch of teams that have gone out and signed a bunch of free agents and then failed miserably...most recently, last year's Eagles. If the plan is to build a perennial contender ala the Steelers, there's only one way to do it: through drafting and developing.

2. I agree that Fireland has failed in the draft...but has he done any better in free agency? I suppose you can point to Bush and to a lesser extent Moore, Dansby and Fasano as successes, but he also missed on a ton of FAs - Wilford, Naanee, Chad Johnson, Gibril Wilson, Kevin Burnett, etc.

I have no problem signing a few FAs to fill in holes - we'll have to, given the number of FAs we'll have this offseason - but regardless of who the GM is IMO the focus must be on the draft for adding both starters and quality depth that can later develop into starters.


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Considering we're coming off a win you guys are some grumpy bitches. :D

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