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 Post subject: Re: Tannehill by the numbers
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:02 am 
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Anyone who is judging Ryan Tannehill as a finished product after 3 NFL games should leave this board and quit watching football in general. Stop filling your heads with isolated examples of rookie QB success like Cam Newton and Ben Roethlisberger - it's not the norm.

Tannehill has looked like a rookie QB. And besides the 2nd quarter vs. the Texans, he has looked damn good considering the WR's he has.

A rookie QB, especially one that only started 19 games in college, requires patience. That's what we signed up for. This board rejoiced when Tannehill was taken. If you really expected Tannehill to be a top-level QB in W4 of his rookie season, you should've cheered for the Dolphins to take Luke Kuechly or David DeCastro with the #8 pick instead of Tannehill.

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Exactly, and to be honest, Tannehill has looked very good as a rookie QB.

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 Post subject: Re: Tannehill by the numbers
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:40 am 
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Anyone who is judging Ryan Tannehill as a finished product after 3 NFL games should leave this board and quit watching football in general. Stop filling your heads with isolated examples of rookie QB success like Cam Newton and Ben Roethlisberger - it's not the norm.

Tannehill has looked like a rookie QB. And besides the 2nd quarter vs. the Texans, he has looked damn good considering the WR's he has.

A rookie QB, especially one that only started 19 games in college, requires patience. That's what we signed up for. This board rejoiced when Tannehill was taken. If you really expected Tannehill to be a top-level QB in W4 of his rookie season, you should've cheered for the Dolphins to take Luke Kuechly or David DeCastro with the #8 pick instead of Tannehill.

Wow.


Exactly, and to be honest, Tannehill has looked very good as a rookie QB.


I dont know about VERY GOOD, but I do think this is what I was expecting. Some Very VERY BAD decisions. I think Tannehill will learn from them and be better for it.

I really wish the team had at least one FEAR INDUCING WR....heck I would settle for just ONE WR that I could sorta-kinda argue was a #1 WR. I just do not understand this concept of team building. :feelinglost:


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 Post subject: Re: Tannehill by the numbers
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:03 am 
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Let me rephrase that, he's been very good on the timeline that I set for him this season. I like what I see from this kid.

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 Post subject: Re: Tannehill by the numbers
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:22 am 
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If you really expected Tannehill to be a top-level QB in W4 of his rookie season, you should've cheered for the Dolphins to take Luke Kuechly or David DeCastro with the #8 pick instead of Tannehill.


Huh? Who expected Tannehill to be a top QB this year, let alone by week 4??? Not sure where that's coming from?

Tannehill is in the perfect position to succeed - he knows his coach, he knows the offense and he's got a top-notch running game. He's even got some decent receivers in Bush, Bess, Hartline and Fasano. Yet despite all that, he is statistically one of the worst QBs in the NFL and has thrown just one TD in three games. I didn't expect greatness by now, not by any stretch, but I also didn't expect Tannehill to be at the bottom of the NFL.


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If you really expected Tannehill to be a top-level QB in W4 of his rookie season, you should've cheered for the Dolphins to take Luke Kuechly or David DeCastro with the #8 pick instead of Tannehill.


Huh? Who expected Tannehill to be a top QB this year, let alone by week 4??? Not sure where that's coming from?

Tannehill is in the perfect position to succeed - he knows his coach, he knows the offense and he's got a top-notch running game. He's even got some decent receivers in Bush, Bess, Hartline and Fasano. Yet despite all that, he is statistically one of the worst QBs in the NFL and has thrown just one TD in three games. I didn't expect greatness by now, not by any stretch, but I also didn't expect Tannehill to be at the bottom of the NFL.


Wait a minute. Did JMP just say we have decent receivers to support his argument? :ROFL: Fasano gets cases of the dropsies and does not usually produce. Bess doesn't score points. Hartline does produce but he can't stay on his feet... and Bush is probably the best threat of the bunch.. But, we don't throw it too him enough.

I can't believe after all the BASHING about how this team has no pass catching threats.. That you just said that. Lmao.

Tannehill has a pretty good O-line. And Reggie Bush. That's basically it. We need upgrades at WR across the board. We need upgrades at TE as well. These are our pass catching threats. Other then Bush. HAS to be among the worst supporting casts in the league. And THAT.. my friend is what Ryan Tannehill is working with.

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 Post subject: Re: Tannehill by the numbers
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:36 pm 
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Wait a minute. Did JMP just say we have decent receivers to support his argument? :ROFL:
I can't believe after all the BASHING about how this team has no pass catching threats.. That you just said that. Lmao.

HA! I was thinking the same thing.:lol:

Anyways IMO all one needs to do is look at Cam Newton to know that it's way too early to say what Tannehill is. Face it we just don't know. And this talk of drafting top 10 QBs back to back? Please. Who does that? Maybe after 2 years, and even then the logic is suspect. Some say what about San Diego drafting Rivers? I say where are the Superbowl victories from this brilliant strategy?


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 Post subject: Re: Tannehill by the numbers
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Wait a minute. Did JMP just say we have decent receivers to support his argument? :ROFL: Fasano gets cases of the dropsies and does not usually produce. Bess doesn't score points. Hartline does produce but he can't stay on his feet... and Bush is probably the best threat of the bunch.. But, we don't throw it too him enough.

I can't believe after all the BASHING about how this team has no pass catching threats.. That you just said that. Lmao.

Tannehill has a pretty good O-line. And Reggie Bush. That's basically it. We need upgrades at WR across the board. We need upgrades at TE as well. These are our pass catching threats. Other then Bush. HAS to be among the worst supporting casts in the league. And THAT.. my friend is what Ryan Tannehill is working with.


IMO Bess is a very good slot receiver, at times excellent, and I've said that about him from day one.

Reggie Bush is one of the top receiving backs in the NFL.

Fasano ain't Gronkowski, but he's a solid, lunchpail-type.

As for Hartline, I never liked him as a receiver and I've had to endure posters calling me crazy for having that opinion for years. Now that I'm finally starting to come around on him, I get laughed at.

We absolutely have no #1 receiver or #1 TE, and I've been saying that all along. But that doesn't mean that every single player on the team is a bad receiver...that's just not the case.

RGIII has a QBR of over 100...and he doesn't have a #1 receiver or the running game Tannehill has. I understand that people love Tannehill and want him to succeed. No one wants that more than me, and I was on the Tannehill bandwagon before it was even built. But I gotta call it like I see it...Tannehill is struggling and he has not shown any glimpses of greatness yet. That doesn't mean he never will, it just means that he's much further behind than I ever expected. You can blame it on the receivers all you want, but the problems I see with Tannehill are on him - they're not due to his receivers. Locking onto receivers and inaccurate passes are the biggest issues right now, and that's not the fault of the receiving corps.

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Anyways IMO all one needs to do is look at Cam Newton to know that it's way too early to say what Tannehill is.


It's never too early to tell what a QB is...just watch him play. The unknown is what the QB will be, and you usually see some evidence of what that will be in year one.


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 Post subject: Re: Tannehill by the numbers
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Here's a list of all rookie QBs with at least 200 pass attempts who compiled a passer rating of less than 60 since '78, the first liberalization of the passing rules.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... ass_rating

Is Tannehill closer to Aikman and Elway or guys like Heath Shuler, Jimmy Clausen and Craig Whelihan? (Even *I* don't think he could possibly be as bad as Ryan Leaf, who was the worst of the worst.)

IMO you also have to consider the league average passer rating for each player's rookie season. For example the league average for this season so far is 85.4--higher than both Aikman's or Elway's career rating believe it or not. In other words, passing has literally never been easier in the NFL than it is today.

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 Post subject: Re: Tannehill by the numbers
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:52 pm 
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Wait a minute. Did JMP just say we have decent receivers to support his argument? :ROFL: Fasano gets cases of the dropsies and does not usually produce. Bess doesn't score points. Hartline does produce but he can't stay on his feet... and Bush is probably the best threat of the bunch.. But, we don't throw it too him enough.

I can't believe after all the BASHING about how this team has no pass catching threats.. That you just said that. Lmao.

Tannehill has a pretty good O-line. And Reggie Bush. That's basically it. We need upgrades at WR across the board. We need upgrades at TE as well. These are our pass catching threats. Other then Bush. HAS to be among the worst supporting casts in the league. And THAT.. my friend is what Ryan Tannehill is working with.


IMO Bess is a very good slot receiver, at times excellent, and I've said that about him from day one.

Reggie Bush is one of the top receiving backs in the NFL.

Fasano ain't Gronkowski, but he's a solid, lunchpail-type.

As for Hartline, I never liked him as a receiver and I've had to endure posters calling me crazy for having that opinion for years. Now that I'm finally starting to come around on him, I get laughed at.

We absolutely have no #1 receiver or #1 TE, and I've been saying that all along. But that doesn't mean that every single player on the team is a bad receiver...that's just not the case.

RGIII has a QBR of over 100...and he doesn't have a #1 receiver or the running game Tannehill has. I understand that people love Tannehill and want him to succeed. No one wants that more than me, and I was on the Tannehill bandwagon before it was even built. But I gotta call it like I see it...Tannehill is struggling and he has not shown any glimpses of greatness yet. That doesn't mean he never will, it just means that he's much further behind than I ever expected. You can blame it on the receivers all you want, but the problems I see with Tannehill are on him - they're not due to his receivers. Locking onto receivers and inaccurate passes are the biggest issues right now, and that's not the fault of the receiving corps.

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Anyways IMO all one needs to do is look at Cam Newton to know that it's way too early to say what Tannehill is.


It's never too early to tell what a QB is...just watch him play. The unknown is what the QB will be, and you usually see some evidence of what that will be in year one.


I know what you are saying. I just wanted to pick at you :poke: I've always liked Hartline. And I like Bess. But, Tannehill has no real weapons. Reggie is a great receiving back. But, we've hardly used him in that role. So that's worthless.

If we had a WR who could score points consistently. I think we could evaluate him a lot better.

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 Post subject: Re: Tannehill by the numbers
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Tannehill has no real weapons.


Hartline and Bess might disagree this week. ;)


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