This entire thread kills me.
Let me make 2 things clear up front, as I have all along:
1) If Steve Ross wanted Jeff Fisher in January, he shouldn't have let Jeff Ireland stand in the way.
2) If any Dolphins fan thought Ireland should've been thrown out with Parcells and Sparano out the door already, I would've agreed with the logic.
I say this so you understand that I judge Ireland on a daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly basis with objectivity.
The big names wanted no part of the Phins' job. And supposedly Fireland preferred McCoy over Philbin.
What big names? Bill Cowher and Jon Gruden aren't coaching anywhere. Jeff Fisher chose the Rams because he wanted complete control in personnel decisions.
It's not an upward swing just yet...we're 3-3 and in last place, still struggling to score points on offense and giving up too many big plays on defense. There's a lot of season left to play.
We're also in 1st place, JMP. Everyone in the division is 3-3 with 10 games left to play. We're also seeing Philbin-Ireland working in unison.
I haven't seen any evidence of it. Still lacking depth and playmakers.
Under your terms? You're right. Because the Tannehill pick was an ORDER from Steve Ross (otherwise he would've picked a lineman, right?), and you ignore that Jonathan Martin has been a better pick than the WR's on that board that we BOTH wanted (Hill, Jeffery, Randle). And Olivier Vernon and Lamar Miller are proving to be steals in the 3rd and 4th round, as well as DT Kheeston Randall in the 7th.
The talent level would look even better with WR Brandon Marshall and CB Vontae Davis on the roster. Ireland and Philbin chose not to have them. We traded them for a 2, 3, 3, 6 in next year's draft, eating the cap room this year, and opting for a better future.
We've had stability at the GM spot...all it's gotten us so far is three consecutive losing seasons for the first time since the 1960's.
Stability? Arrgghh. Jimmy Johnson, Nick Saban, Randy Mueller, and Rick Spielman believed in patching up holes, overpaying FA's, trading away draft picks for short-term benefits, and getting out of dodge if it didn't work. THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.
The Dolphins went from 1-15 in 2007 to 11-5 to 2008, the biggest single-season turnaround in NFL history. This held expectations high to get to that next level in 2009, while having to STILL rebuild the team because it was old. In 2008, our QB was 32-years-old (Pennington) while 6 of our 11 starters on D were 30+ as well.
The Dolphins couldn't get over the hump between 2009-2011 because they didn't have a QB that ranked above 22/32 in QB rating, not because of an ill-constructed team.
Jeff Ireland was NEVER given the opportunity to land a franchise QB unless you want to start a debate about how we should've traded a 2nd and 3rd round picks in the 2011 draft to move up for Christian Ponder, Jake Locker, or Blaine Gabbert. Instead, Ireland took C Mike Pouncey at #15 in the 2011 Draft and QB Ryan Tannehill at #8 in the 2012 Draft. Yeah. What a fucking idiot, right?
Ireland was finally given the chance to draft a franchise QB in the 2012 Draft, and he did. That's a GOOD THING, JMP.
The coach's job shouldn't be to help the GM identify playmakers. In fact, if the GM doesn't know how to identify playmakers, he shouldn't be the GM.
The GM acquires talent. The coach is responsible for developing said talent. Sparano was incapable of developing talent, which is why you saw so many players on this roster quit on him.
It doesn't mean there isn't work to be done, but it warms my heart to see some people on this board ASHAMED of the fact that the Philbin-Ireland era just might be working.
Good coaching and a good QB can make up for poor GM performance, to a point.
Correct, Degarmo. I’ll even take it a step further: the QB and Head Coach ARE the personality of the team. Ireland drafted Tannehill, and has worked very well with Philbin.
I wanted the Dolphins to trade a 2nd/3nd round pick for Kyle Orton at QB. I also wanted Ryan Mallett to be taken in the 2011 Draft, which would’ve prohibited us from drafting Tannehill. I laughed at the Matt Moore signing, but he performed better than the other 6 QB’s available last year (VY, Hasselbeck, Kolb, Palmer, etc…) Dolphins’ fans PICKETED for failing to land Matt Flynn for a 3-year/$28-mil+ contract.
Ireland traded for peanuts for Reggie Bush instead of signing Ahmad Bradshaw or DeAngelo Williams for NOTHING.
How badly was Ireland hated on for not signing a big-name WR in Free Agency? Pierre Garcon, Josh Morgan, Laurent Robinson, Mario Manningham for $6-$7-mil year? How would that be looking right now? Would’ve been a waste of money.
I’m not trying to iron out a squeeky-clean resume for Jeff Ireland. But the emotionally invested fibers into Ireland’s failure on this board? They’re deep. And they’re biased. And they’re nonsense.
For once my belief in someone held true(imo). I did waver a bit or worry this preseason and it was starting to grow. but i had to remind myself that it was preseason. God knows hes put up with more crap than most gm's. Let me give ya an example. They didnt sign Naanee with the thought in there head that he would be the next Mark Duper in Miami. They probably figured he'd be 50/50 chance to contribute. So they sign him, not a lot of money but worth a shot. He doesnt work, they cut him and move on. The fans count it up as a failed move of Ireland the idiot, as if Ireland thought he found his A-1 receiver when he signed him. They think him an idiot for signing Naanee thinking hed be great, and that he cant see talent. Now on the other hand, he thinks those fans are idiots as well. " What, you guys thought I was counting on him being Duper or something? Anyways great post.