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 Post subject: Re: NYF's Top 150 Prospects - DEs
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:31 pm 
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I don't have any interest in the DE's with the first couple of picks but I am interested in both Florida ST. other DE's Tank Carradine and Brandon Jenkins

Brandon Jenkins - 2010 Jenkins notched 13.5 sacks with 21.5 tackles for a loss. He had five multi-sack games and was voted the team's MVP.
2011 Jenkins started his junior season slowly. He drew extra blocking coming off his stellar 2010 season, but that helped defensive end Bjoern Werner have a breakout year - 41 tackles, 12 tackles for a loss and eight sacks
2012 broke his foot early in the year.

I think he is the fastest of the 3 and the one that interests me most - If we could get him with the 2nd 3rd round pick or the 4th that would be great

Tank Carradine - 2011 Carradine totaled 38 tackles, eight tackles for a loss and 5.5 sacks as a backup to Brandon Jenkins and Bjoern Werner
2012 80 tackles, 13 tackles for a loss, 11 sacks and a forced fumble this year. He regularly beat one-on-one blocks as teams sent double-teams against Werner

Has torn ACL not really draftable - Think he needs a year of rebilitation - pick him up after the draft and put him on IR for the year ( not really sure how that works)
Mike Maylock - Tank Carradine, who tore his ACL in November but “probably had first-round talent. … Somebody’s going to get a steal with this kid


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 Post subject: Re: NYF's Top 150 Prospects - DEs
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:48 pm 
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I like that line of thinking, Doug, and Carson has echoed similar thoughts on Carradine.

I honestly believe Werner and "The Answer" will both be gone by 12 after they tear up the Combine, and I'm not sure there's another DE I like at 12. I think the 2nd and 3rd rounds will yield a lot of great DE prospects that we can target.


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 Post subject: Re: NYF's Top 150 Prospects - DEs
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:58 pm 
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Not Ansah's best game. Most of the time, it looked like ND had no problem blocking him and making him a non-factor. I think the good plays he did have were mostly when he had a chance to play in space and not have to deal with a blocker at the onset of the play. Interestingly enough, despite his size, I almost think he could play 3-4 OLB as a pass rush specialist...he's got the speed and athleticism to do it IMO.

I think the video shows that he needs better technique to get off blocks, and he needs to add strength - both upper body and legs. I also think it shows Ansah wasn't really suited to BYU's defense...having him play NT and DE in that formation neutralizes his skills against good competition. I think his best positions in the NFL are 4-3 end or (as I said above) 3-4 OLB.

All that aside, the dude is a freak of nature. He is going to look like a god at the Combine, and as a result he will go top 10 IMO. Coaches will fall in love with his unique combo of size, speed and athleticism and it's one of those cases where you take the guy and learn how to use him. I think he can be a major weapon for a creative D-coordinator.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:41 pm 
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Not Ansah's best game. Most of the time, it looked like ND had no problem blocking him and making him a non-factor. I think the good plays he did have were mostly when he had a chance to play in space and not have to deal with a blocker at the onset of the play. Interestingly enough, despite his size, I almost think he could play 3-4 OLB as a pass rush specialist...he's got the speed and athleticism to do it IMO.

I think the video shows that he needs better technique to get off blocks, and he needs to add strength - both upper body and legs. I also think it shows Ansah wasn't really suited to BYU's defense...having him play NT and DE in that formation neutralizes his skills against good competition. I think his best positions in the NFL are 4-3 end or (as I said above) 3-4 OLB.

All that aside, the dude is a freak of nature. He is going to look like a god at the Combine, and as a result he will go top 10 IMO. Coaches will fall in love with his unique combo of size, speed and athleticism and it's one of those cases where you take the guy and learn how to use him. I think he can be a major weapon for a creative D-coordinator.


Or be the next Vernon Gholston. I think Vernon is the reason why people stayed away from Jason Pierre Paul. I think Ansah is a guy that will take time to develop just like Dion Jordan. I think Jordan is more suited for the 3-4 OLB because of his thinner build. Watch film of Jordan and watch film of Jason Taylor. Hard to tell the two apart.

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 Post subject: Re: NYF's Top 150 Prospects - DEs
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:57 pm 
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I think the video shows that he needs better technique to get off blocks, and he needs to add strength - both upper body and legs.


Agreed, and to me he looked like he was not very instinctive, or had very good anticipation. We'll see. It might very well be he was uncomfortable being out of position. I just prefer to see these athletes go against better competition, and he did not fare well that day. I don't study these guys like some of you do, that was just my impression off that clip.

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 Post subject: Re: NYF's Top 150 Prospects - DEs
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JMP wrote:
I honestly believe Werner and "The Answer" will both be gone by 12 after they tear up the Combine, and I'm not sure there's another DE I like at 12. I think the 2nd and 3rd rounds will yield a lot of great DE prospects that we can target.


Absolutely agree!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: NYF's Top 150 Prospects - DEs
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Finsfan4ever wrote:
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I think the video shows that he needs better technique to get off blocks, and he needs to add strength - both upper body and legs.


Agreed, and to me he looked like he was not very instinctive, or had very good anticipation. We'll see. It might very well be he was uncomfortable being out of position. I just prefer to see these athletes go against better competition, and he did not fare well that day. I don't study these guys like some of you do, that was just my impression off that clip.


Ansah has great awareness and anticipation. (Particularly with the screen pass. Which tells me he's got smarts) I've watched a lot of his footage. He needs to get better in his technique. Other then that. He is an absolute freak. Has more upside then ANY DE in the draft. AS IS he is already the 2nd or 3rd best DE CURRENTLY.

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 Post subject: Re: NYF's Top 150 Prospects - DEs
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:09 am 
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NO ones ceiling is higher the Ansah's. If he reaches his potential he'll be the BEST DE from this class. And I don't think it will be close. At this point I like him better then Werner. Which means I think he's the best 4-3 DE draft prospect PERIOD.


Going to disagree with your opinion.

Werner hasn't been playing as long as Ansah and IMO his ceiling is higher than Ansah's. Not too mention Werner has a mean and nasty streak in him that I don't see in many other players.


Incorrect sir.

Ansah didn't EVER play American football until late 2009. Didn't even know it existed until 2008 when he moved here from Ghana Africa. He literally played his first game of football ever.. in COLLEGE. And not even his freshmen year.

Werner has been playing football since HIGHSCHOOL.. Even in Germany before transferring. Since 2006. Werner has been playing TWICE as long as Ansah.

So yes Werner has more experience. Is not even close to the athlete that Ansah is. So I'm not sure how you think Werners ceiling is higher.

Not to mention. Anyone actually watch the senior bowl? Ansah was the best player on the field. Won defensive honors for a reason. He'll probably run close to a full second faster then Werner. He could POTENTIALLY run a 4.6 FLAT. At 6'5 270+ lbs. THAT IS INSANE. 7 ft. Wing Span. Potentially faster then our athletic QB by a half second. Wowza. Think Jevon Kearse in terms of athletic prowess.

I've got a man crush on the guy. If he or Werner isn't there at 12. Go Patterson. Or trade back if Patterson is gone. Because all your playmakers are gone. And there isn't much difference at 12 when there are no playmakers left.. then there is at 25 (Particularly in this kind of deep draft with VERY limited playmakers). Get an extra 2nd rounder. Or another 1st rounder next year.

As JMP pointed out. The fact that they used this guy at NT is just idiotic. This going is going to RAVAGE QB's for years. And he's got the length power and speed to maintain the run. ESPECIALLY once he has some pro coaching. And a year or 2 under his belt. Don't get me wrong. I expect him to produce immediately. Just not hit his ceiling for a couple years.

And here is another game. Where he looks unstoppable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=GEe ... =endscreen

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 Post subject: Re: NYF's Top 150 Prospects - DEs
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Im liking Jenkins too. Seems like he has the motor and can get off of blocks pretty easily.

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 Post subject: Re: NYF's Top 150 Prospects - DEs
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The DE that is really shooting up draft boards is Jordan. I've been saying he was going to be elite. He may prove it this year. I still think he takes two years to develop. Only been playing DE for 3 years. He had 4.6 speed like I said.

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